Permissive and instructive Hox codes govern limb positioning
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This important study provides the first putative evidence that alteration of the Hox code in neck lateral plate mesoderm is sufficient to induce ectopic development of forelimb buds at neck level. The authors use both gain-of-function (GOF) and loss-of-function (LOF) approaches in chick embryos to test the roles of Hox paralogy group (PG) 4-7 genes in limb development. The GOF data provide strong evidence that overexpression of Hox PG6/7 genes are sufficient to induce forelimb buds at neck level. However, the experiments using dominant negative constructs are lacking some key controls that are needed to demonstrate the specificity of the LOF effect rendering the work as a whole incomplete.
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The positioning of limbs along the anterior-posterior axis varies widely across vertebrates. The mechanisms controlling this feature remain to be fully understood. For over 30 years, it has been speculated that Hox genes play a key role in this process but evidence supporting this hypothesis has been largely indirect. In this study, we employed loss- and gain-of-function Hox gene variants in chick embryos to address this issue. Using this approach, we found that Hox4/5 genes are necessary but insufficient for forelimb formation. Within the Hox4/5 expression domain, Hox6/7 genes are sufficient for reprogramming of neck lateral plate mesoderm to form an ectopic limb bud, thereby inducing forelimb formation anterior to the normal limb field. Our findings demonstrate that the forelimb program depends on the combinatorial actions of these Hox genes. We propose that during the evolutionary emergence of the neck, Hox4/5 provide permissive cues for forelimb formation throughout the neck region, while the final position of the forelimb is determined by the instructive cues of Hox6/7 in the lateral plate mesoderm.
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eLife Assessment
This important study provides the first putative evidence that alteration of the Hox code in neck lateral plate mesoderm is sufficient to induce ectopic development of forelimb buds at neck level. The authors use both gain-of-function (GOF) and loss-of-function (LOF) approaches in chick embryos to test the roles of Hox paralogy group (PG) 4-7 genes in limb development. The GOF data provide strong evidence that overexpression of Hox PG6/7 genes are sufficient to induce forelimb buds at neck level. However, the experiments using dominant negative constructs are lacking some key controls that are needed to demonstrate the specificity of the LOF effect rendering the work as a whole incomplete.
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Reviewer #2 (Public review):
In the original review of this manuscript, I noted that this study provides the first evidence that alteration of the Hox code in neck lateral plate mesoderm is sufficient for ectopic forelimb budding. Their finding that ectopic expression of Hoxa6 or Hoxa7 induces wing budding at neck level, a demonstration of sufficiency, is of major significance. The experiments used to test the necessity of specific Hox genes for limb budding involved overexpression of dominant negative constructs, and there were questions about whether the controls were well designed. The reviewers made several suggestions for additional experiments that would address their concerns. In their responses to those comments, the authors indicated that they would conduct those experiments, and they acknowledged the requests for further …
Reviewer #2 (Public review):
In the original review of this manuscript, I noted that this study provides the first evidence that alteration of the Hox code in neck lateral plate mesoderm is sufficient for ectopic forelimb budding. Their finding that ectopic expression of Hoxa6 or Hoxa7 induces wing budding at neck level, a demonstration of sufficiency, is of major significance. The experiments used to test the necessity of specific Hox genes for limb budding involved overexpression of dominant negative constructs, and there were questions about whether the controls were well designed. The reviewers made several suggestions for additional experiments that would address their concerns. In their responses to those comments, the authors indicated that they would conduct those experiments, and they acknowledged the requests for further discussion of a few points.
In the revised version of the manuscript, the authors have provided additional RNA-seq data in Table 3, which lists 221 genes that are shared between the Hoxa6-induced limb bud and normal wing bud but not the neck. This shows that the ectopic limb bud has a limb-like character. The authors also expanded the discussion of their results in the context of previous work on the mouse. These changes have improved the paper.
The authors elected not to conduct the co-transfection experiments that were suggested to test the ability of Hoxa4/a5 to block the limb-inducing ability of Hoxa6/a7. They also chose not to conduct the additional control experiments that were suggested for the dominant negative studies. The authors' justification for not conducting these experiments is provided in the responses to reviewers.
The paper is improved over the previous version, but the conclusions, particularly regarding the dominant negative experiments, would have been strengthened by the additional experiments that were recommended by the reviewers. Under the current publishing model for eLife, it is the authors' prerogative to decide whether to revise in accordance with the reviewers' suggestions. Therefore, it seems to me that this version of the manuscript is the definitive version that the authors want to publish, and that eLife should publish it together with the reviewers' comments and the authors' responses.
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Author response:
The following is the authors’ response to the original reviews.
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Reviewer #1 (Public review)
Weaknesses:
(1) The activity of the dominant negatives lacks appropriate controls. This is crucial given that mouse mutants for PG5, PG6, PG7, and three of the four PG4 genes show no major effects on limb induction or growth. Understanding these discrepancies is essential.
We thank the reviewer for emphasizing the importance of appropriate controls for the dominant-negative experiments. Dominant-negative Hox constructs have been successfully and widely used in previous studies, supporting the reliability of this approach. In our experiments, electroporation of the dominant-negative constructs into the limb field produced clear and reproducible effects when compared with both unoperated embryos and embryos …
Author response:
The following is the authors’ response to the original reviews.
Public Reviews:
Reviewer #1 (Public review)
Weaknesses:
(1) The activity of the dominant negatives lacks appropriate controls. This is crucial given that mouse mutants for PG5, PG6, PG7, and three of the four PG4 genes show no major effects on limb induction or growth. Understanding these discrepancies is essential.
We thank the reviewer for emphasizing the importance of appropriate controls for the dominant-negative experiments. Dominant-negative Hox constructs have been successfully and widely used in previous studies, supporting the reliability of this approach. In our experiments, electroporation of the dominant-negative constructs into the limb field produced clear and reproducible effects when compared with both unoperated embryos and embryos electroporated with a GFP control construct. The GFP construct serves as an appropriate control, as it accounts for any effects of electroporation or exogenous protein expression without altering Hox gene function. We therefore conclude that the observed phenotypes specifically reflect dominant-negative Hox activity rather than procedural artifacts.
The absence of overt limb phenotypes in PG4–PG7 mouse mutants likely reflects both functional redundancy among Hox paralogs and the difficulty of detecting subtle limbspecific effects in bilateral, systemically affected embryos. In contrast, the chick embryo system allows unilateral gene manipulation, providing an internal control and greater sensitivity for detecting weak or localized effects that may be masked in whole-animal mouse mutants.
(2) The authors mention redundancies in Hox activity, consistent with numerous previous reports. However, they only use single dominant-negative versions of each Hox paralog gene individually. If Hox4 and Hox5 functions are redundant, experiments should include simultaneous dominant negatives for both groups.
We thank the reviewer for this thoughtful suggestion. We fully agree that functional redundancy among Hox paralogs is an important consideration. However, Hox gene interactions are highly context-dependent and not strictly additive. Simultaneous interference with multiple Hox groups often leads to complex or compensatory effects that are difficult to interpret mechanistically, particularly when using dominant-negative constructs that may affect overlapping transcriptional networks.
Our current experimental design, which targets individual paralog groups, allows us to attribute observed phenotypes to specific Hox activities and to interpret the results more precisely. Moreover, as shown in previous studies, simultaneous knockdown of multiple Hox genes does not necessarily produce stronger. For these reasons, we believe that the present single–dominant-negative experiments are the most informative and sufficient for addressing the specific questions in this study.
(3) The main conclusion that Hox4 and Hox5 provide permissive cues on which Hox6/7 induce the forelimb is not sufficiently supported by the data. An experiment expressing simultaneous dnHox4/5 and Hox6/7 is needed. If the hypothesis is correct, this should block Hox6/7's capacity to expand the limb bud or generate an extra bulge.
We thank the reviewer for this insightful suggestion. However, because of the extensive functional redundancy and regulatory interdependence within the Hox network, simultaneous inhibition of Hox4 and Hox5 is unlikely to produce a simple or interpretable outcome. Previous studies have shown that combinatorial Hox manipulations can trigger compensatory changes in other Hox genes, often obscuring rather than clarifying specific relationships.
In our study, the proposed permissive role of Hox4/5 is supported by the spatial and temporal patterns of Hox expression and by the phenotypic effects observed upon individual dominant-negative perturbations. These data together suggest that Hox4/5 establish a forelimb-competent domain, on which Hox6/7 subsequently act to promote limb outgrowth. We therefore believe that the current evidence sufficiently supports this model without necessitating the additional combined experiment, which may not provide clear mechanistic insight due to redundancy effects.
(4) The identity of the extra bulge or extended limb bud is unclear. The only marker supporting its identity as a forelimb is Tbx5, while other typical limb development markers are absent. Tbx5 is also expressed in other regions besides the forelimb, and its presence does not guarantee forelimb identity. For instance, snakes express Tbx5 in the lateral mesoderm along much of their body axis.
We thank the reviewer for this important comment. We agree that Tbx5 expression alone may be not sufficient to define forelimb identity. However, in our experiments, the induced bulge displays several additional characteristics consistent with early limb identity (in pre-AER stage). First, the Tbx5 expression we observe corresponds to the stage when the limb field is already specified, not the earlier broad mesodermal phase described in other systems. Second, the induced domain also expresses Lmx1, a marker of dorsal limb mesenchyme, further supporting its limb-specific nature. Third, our RNA sequencing analysis reveals upregulation of multiple genes associated with early limb development pathways, providing molecular evidence for limb-type identity rather than non-specific mesodermal expansion. Taken together, these results strongly indicate that the induced bulge represents a forelimb-like structure rather than a generic mesodermal thickening.
(5) It is important to analyze the skeletons of all embryos to assess the effect of reduced limb buds upon dnHox expression and determine whether extra skeletal elements develop from the extended bud or ectopic bulge.
We thank the reviewer for this helpful suggestion. We have analyzed the cartilage structures of the operated embryos. No skeletal elements were detected within the ectopic wing bud in the neck region. Furthermore, we did not observe any significant structural changes in the wing skeleton following loss-of-function (dnHox) experiments. These observations indicate that the ectopic bulges do not progress to form skeletal elements, consistent with their identity as early limb-like outgrowths rather than fully developed limbs.
Reviewer #2 (Public review):
Weaknesses
(1) By contrast to the GOF experiments that induce ectopic limb budding, the LOF experiments, which use dominant negative forms of Hoxa4, Hoxa5, Hoxa6, and Hoxa7, are more challenging to interpret due to the absence of data on the specificity of the dominant negative constructs. Absent such controls, one cannot be certain that effects on limb development are due to disruption of the specific Hox proteins that are being targeted.
We thank the reviewer for raising this important point regarding the specificity of the dominant-negative constructs. The dnHox constructs used in this study were generated by truncating the C-terminal region of each Hox protein, a strategy that removes the homeodomain and has been demonstrated to act as a specific dominant-negative by interfering with the corresponding Hox function without broadly affecting unrelated Hox genes. This approach has been successfully validated and used in previous work (Moreau et al., Curr. Biol. 2019), where similar constructs effectively and specifically inhibited Hox activity in the chick embryo.
(2) A test of their central hypothesis regarding the necessity and sufficiency of the Hox genes under investigation would be to co-transfect the neck with full-length Hoxa6/a7 AND the dnHoxA4/a5. If their hypothesis is correct, then the dn constructs should block the limb-inducing ability of Hoxa6/a7 overexpression (again, validation of specificity of the DN constructs is important here)
We thank the reviewer for this insightful suggestion. We agree that, in principle, coelectroporation of dnHox4/5 with Hox6/7 could test the hierarchical relationship between these genes. However, due to the extensive redundancy and regulatory interdependence among Hox genes, simultaneous manipulation of multiple genes often leads to compensatory effects or complex outcomes that are difficult to interpret mechanistically. As discussed in our response to Point 3 of the reviewer 1, inhibition of only one or two Hox4/5 paralogs is unlikely to completely abolish the permissive function of this group.
Our current data — showing that Hox6/7 gain-of-function can induce ectopic limb-like outgrowths, while dnHox4/5 and dnHox6/7 lead to reduced limb formation — already provide strong evidence for both the necessity and sufficiency of these Hox activities in forelimb positioning. We therefore believe that the existing experiments adequately support our proposed model without the need for additional combinatorial manipulations.
(3) The paper could be strengthened by providing some additional data, which should already exist in their RNA-Seq dataset, such as supplementary material that shows the actual gene expression data that are represented in the Venn diagram, heatmap, and GO analysis in Figure 3.
We thank the reviewer for this constructive suggestion. In response, we have added a table (Table 3) listing the genes expressed in both the native limb/wing bud and the Hoxa6-induced wing bud, as identified from our RNA-Seq dataset. This table provides the underlying data for the Venn diagram, heatmap, and GO analysis presented in Figure 3. We agree that including these data improves transparency and helps readers better appreciate the molecular similarity between the induced and native limb buds.
(4) The results of these experiments in chick embryos are rather unexpected based on previous knockout experiments in mice, and this needs to be discussed.
We thank the reviewer for this important point. We have addressed this issue in our response to Reviewer 1, Point 1, and have expanded the relevant discussion in the manuscript. Briefly, we believe that the apparent discrepancy between chick and mouse results arises from both the high degree of functional redundancy among Hox paralogs and the limitations of detecting subtle limb-specific effects in systemic mouse mutants, where both sides of the embryo are equally affected. In contrast, the chick system allows unilateral gene manipulation, providing an internal control and greatly enhancing sensitivity to detect weak or localized effects. Thus, the chick embryo model can reveal subtle Hox-dependent limb-induction activities that are masked in conventional mouse knockout approaches.
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eLife Assessment
This study investigates the role of Hox genes in determining the position of the forelimb bud using experimental loss- and gain-of-function approaches in chicken embryos, concluding that Hox4 and Hox5 provide permissive signals for forelimb formation throughout the neck region, while the final forelimb position is determined by the instructive signals of Hox6/7 in the lateral plate mesoderm. These results could potentially be fundamental to our understanding of Hox patterning. However, the evidence supporting these conclusions is incomplete; while the gain-of-function experiments are well supported, the loss-of-function experiments using dominant-negative constructs lack sufficient controls, and could be the result of an experimental artifact.
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Reviewer #1 (Public review):
Summary:
This study investigates the role of Hox genes in determining the position of the forelimb bud through experimental loss- and gain-of-function approaches in chicken embryos. The loss-of-function experiments involved expressing dominant-negative versions of specific Hox genes in the limb bud to assess their necessity for limb formation. Gain-of-function experiments entailed expressing full-length Hox genes anterior to the limb field in the lateral mesoderm. The results were evaluated by analyzing the expression of genes involved in limb development, such as Fgf8, Fgf10, Shh, and Tbx5, the latter specifically marking the forelimb.
The findings indicate that introducing dominant-negative forms of Hoxa4, Hoxa5, Hoxa6, and Hoxa7 into the forelimb field reduces bud size and downregulates certain limb …
Reviewer #1 (Public review):
Summary:
This study investigates the role of Hox genes in determining the position of the forelimb bud through experimental loss- and gain-of-function approaches in chicken embryos. The loss-of-function experiments involved expressing dominant-negative versions of specific Hox genes in the limb bud to assess their necessity for limb formation. Gain-of-function experiments entailed expressing full-length Hox genes anterior to the limb field in the lateral mesoderm. The results were evaluated by analyzing the expression of genes involved in limb development, such as Fgf8, Fgf10, Shh, and Tbx5, the latter specifically marking the forelimb.
The findings indicate that introducing dominant-negative forms of Hoxa4, Hoxa5, Hoxa6, and Hoxa7 into the forelimb field reduces bud size and downregulates certain limb markers. Conversely, introducing active versions of these genes rostral to the normal forelimb position shows that Hox4 and Hox5 have no effect, whereas Hox6 and Hox7 extend the forelimb anteriorly or create a small bulge rostral to the forelimb. The authors conclude that Hox4 and Hox5 provide permissive cues for forelimb formation throughout the neck region, with the final forelimb position determined by the instructive cues of Hox6/7 in the lateral plate mesoderm.
Strengths:
The authors endeavor to address the longstanding question of what determines limb position, particularly that of the forelimb, in the vertebrate embryo.
Weaknesses:
In my opinion, the study is preliminary and requires additional controls and explanations for conflicting results observed in mice:
(1) The activity of the dominant negatives lacks appropriate controls. This is crucial given that mouse mutants for PG5, PG6, PG7, and three of the four PG4 genes show no major effects on limb induction or growth. Understanding these discrepancies is essential.
(2) The authors mention redundancies in Hox activity, consistent with numerous previous reports. However, they only use single dominant-negative versions of each Hox paralog gene individually. If Hox4 and Hox5 functions are redundant, experiments should include simultaneous dominant negatives for both groups.
(3) The main conclusion that Hox4 and Hox5 provide permissive cues on which Hox6/7 induce the forelimb is not sufficiently supported by the data. An experiment expressing simultaneous dnHox4/5 and Hox6/7 is needed. If the hypothesis is correct, this should block Hox6/7's capacity to expand the limb bud or generate an extra bulge.
(4) The identity of the extra bulge or extended limb bud is unclear. The only marker supporting its identity as a forelimb is Tbx5, while other typical limb development markers are absent. Tbx5 is also expressed in other regions besides the forelimb, and its presence does not guarantee forelimb identity. For instance, snakes express Tbx5 in the lateral mesoderm along much of their body axis.
(5) It is important to analyze the skeletons of all embryos to assess the effect of reduced limb buds upon dnHox expression and determine whether extra skeletal elements develop from the extended bud or ectopic bulge.
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Reviewer #2 (Public review):
Summary:
This manuscript investigates the role of Hox genes in the specification of forelimb position. The central conclusions are that Hox paralogy group (PG) 6/7 genes are both necessary and sufficient to induce forelimb buds. In addition, the authors argue that HoxPG4/5 genes are necessary, but, by contrast to Hox PG6/7 genes, Hox PG4/5 genes are not sufficient to induce forelimb budding. To test the roles of Hox4-7 genes in limb development, the authors use both gain-of-function (GOF) and loss-of-function (LOF) approaches in chick embryos.
In LOF experiments, they produced dominant negative forms of Hoxa4, Hoxa5, Hoxa6, and Hoxa7, which lack the DNA-binding domain, and they electroporated these constructs into the prospective wing field of the lateral plate mesoderm (LPM) in pre-limb bud stage (HH12) …
Reviewer #2 (Public review):
Summary:
This manuscript investigates the role of Hox genes in the specification of forelimb position. The central conclusions are that Hox paralogy group (PG) 6/7 genes are both necessary and sufficient to induce forelimb buds. In addition, the authors argue that HoxPG4/5 genes are necessary, but, by contrast to Hox PG6/7 genes, Hox PG4/5 genes are not sufficient to induce forelimb budding. To test the roles of Hox4-7 genes in limb development, the authors use both gain-of-function (GOF) and loss-of-function (LOF) approaches in chick embryos.
In LOF experiments, they produced dominant negative forms of Hoxa4, Hoxa5, Hoxa6, and Hoxa7, which lack the DNA-binding domain, and they electroporated these constructs into the prospective wing field of the lateral plate mesoderm (LPM) in pre-limb bud stage (HH12) chick embryos. All 4 constructs resulted in down-regulation of Tbx5 (an early marker of forelimb development), and of its target gene, Fgf10, which is required for the initiation of limb budding, in the lateral plate mesoderm. The dominant negative experiments also caused down-regulation of Fgf8 in the overlying limb ectoderm and a marked reduction in the size of the early wing bud. Based on the LOF results, the authors conclude that each of the Hoxa4-7 genes is required for the specification of the forelimb field and for the establishment of the Fgf10-Fgf8 feedback loop in wing bud mesenchyme and overlying epithelium.
The authors then use a GOF strategy to investigate whether the same genes are sufficient to induce forelimb budding. They test this hypothesis using the neck, a region that is known to be incompetent to form limbs in response to Fgf signaling. Overexpression of full-length Hoxa6 and Hoxa7 in the neck region caused ectopic expression of Tbx5 in the neck region, which fits with "posteriorization" of cells at neck level, as Tbx5 typically marks the forelimb and flank (interlimb) region of the lateral plate mesoderm. Consistent with a posterior transformation of positional identity (neck to forelimb), overexpression of Hoxa6 or Hoxa7 leads to activation of Fgf10 expression and development of an ectopic forelimb bud from (or extension of the normal forelimb bud into) the neck region). By contrast, overexpression of either Hoxa4 or Hoxa5 in the neck region is not sufficient to induce ectopic forelimb budding. Curiously, the ectopic forelimb buds do not express Fgf8 in the overlying ectoderm or develop beyond the bud stage. The latter finding is consistent with previous work showing that neck ectoderm is not competent to support outgrowth of transplanted limb bud mesenchyme. The authors investigate the mechanistic basis of this early arrest of outgrowth by comparing the transcriptomes of ectopic limb buds, normal forelimb buds, and normal neck cells.
The RNA sequencing analysis shows that while some limb development genes (e.g., Lmx1b, Hoxa9, Hoxd9, Hoxa10, Hoxd10) are activated in the ectopic limb bud, other key components of the circuit (e.g., Shh, Fgf8, Hox12/13 paralogs) are not established, leading them to conclude that failure of neck ectoderm to form an AER underlies the arrested outgrowth of ectopic limb buds.
Strengths:
This study provides the first evidence that altering the Hox code in neck lateral plate mesoderm (LPM) is sufficient to induce ectopic development of forelimb buds at the neck level. For more than 30 years, developmental biologists have speculated and provided indirect evidence that Hox genes are involved in the specification of forelimb position, but to my knowledge, no study has shown that altering Hox gene expression alone can induce limb development outside of the normal limb field. The finding that Hox6/7 paralogs are sufficient for forelimb bud development, whereas Hox4/5 paralogs are not, suggests that specification of forelimb identity requires instructive signaling that is a specific property of Hox6/7 paralogs. The GOF experiments significantly extend the knowledge of limb specification beyond that which has come from Hox gene manipulations in mice.
Weaknesses:
(1) By contrast to the GOF experiments that induce ectopic limb budding, the LOF experiments, which use dominant negative forms of Hoxa4, Hoxa5, Hoxa6, and Hoxa7, are more challenging to interpret due to the absence of data on the specificity of the dominant negative constructs. Absent such controls, one cannot be certain that effects on limb development are due to disruption of the specific Hox proteins that are being targeted.
(2) A test of their central hypothesis regarding the necessity and sufficiency of the Hox genes under investigation would be to co-transfect the neck with full-length Hoxa6/a7 AND the dnHoxA4/a5. If their hypothesis is correct, then the dn constructs should block the limb-inducing ability of Hoxa6/a7 overexpression (again, validation of specificity of the DN constructs is important here).
(3) The paper could be strengthened by providing some additional data, which should already exist in their RNA-Seq dataset, such as supplementary material that shows the actual gene expression data that are represented in the Venn diagram, heatmap, and GO analysis in Figure 3.
(4) The results of these experiments in chick embryos are rather unexpected based on previous knockout experiments in mice, and this needs to be discussed.
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Author response:
Reviewer #1:
Weaknesses:
(1) The activity of the dominant negatives lacks appropriate controls. This is crucial given that mouse mutants for PG5, PG6, PG7, and three of the four PG4 genes show no major effects on limb induction or growth. Understanding these discrepancies is essential.
Given the importance of the Loss of Function (LOF) experiments, we will provide additional evidence for the validity of the dominant-negative strategy and constructs used.
(2) The authors mention redundancies in Hox activity, consistent with numerous previous reports. However, they only use single dominant-negative versions of each Hox paralog gene individually. If Hox4 and Hox5 functions are redundant, experiments should include simultaneous dominant negatives for both groups.
To clarify redundancies in Hox activity, we will test …
Author response:
Reviewer #1:
Weaknesses:
(1) The activity of the dominant negatives lacks appropriate controls. This is crucial given that mouse mutants for PG5, PG6, PG7, and three of the four PG4 genes show no major effects on limb induction or growth. Understanding these discrepancies is essential.
Given the importance of the Loss of Function (LOF) experiments, we will provide additional evidence for the validity of the dominant-negative strategy and constructs used.
(2) The authors mention redundancies in Hox activity, consistent with numerous previous reports. However, they only use single dominant-negative versions of each Hox paralog gene individually. If Hox4 and Hox5 functions are redundant, experiments should include simultaneous dominant negatives for both groups.
To clarify redundancies in Hox activity, we will test whether simultaneous expression of dominant-negative forms of more than one Hox genes induces a stronger effect compared to the expression of a single dominant-negatives Hox genes.
(3) The main conclusion that Hox4 and Hox5 provide permissive cues on which Hox6/7 induce the forelimb is not sufficiently supported by the data. An experiment expressing simultaneous dnHox4/5 and Hox6/7 is needed. If the hypothesis is correct, this should block Hox6/7's capacity to expand the limb bud or generate an extra bulge.
We agree that this is an excellent additional experiment to corroborate our conclusion and will perform this experiment in our revision.
(4) The identity of the extra bulge or extended limb bud is unclear. The only marker supporting its identity as a forelimb is Tbx5, while other typical limb development markers are absent. Tbx5 is also expressed in other regions besides the forelimb, and its presence does not guarantee forelimb identity. For instance, snakes express Tbx5 in the lateral mesoderm along much of their body axis.
To date, Tbx5 is the best marker for the forelimb. While it is true that the Tbx5 expression is broader than the limb field, this occurs only at early stages before forelimb bud formation. We will work towards a further definition of this extra bulge.
(5) It is important to analyze the skeletons of all embryos to assess the effect of reduced limb buds upon dnHox expression and determine whether extra skeletal elements develop from the extended bud or ectopic bulge.
We have analysed the cartilage structure of operated embryos with GOF experiments and found no skeletal elements within the ectopic wing bud in the neck. Additionally, in our revision, we can further analyse the wing skeleton of operated embryos with LOF experiments, which would provide more detailed assessments of the impact of dominant-negative Hox genes on wing bud formation.
Reviewer #2:
Weaknesses
(1) By contrast to the GOF experiments that induce ectopic limb budding, the LOF experiments, which use dominant negative forms of Hoxa4, Hoxa5, Hoxa6, and Hoxa7, are more challenging to interpret due to the absence of data on the specificity of the dominant negative constructs. Absent such controls, one cannot be certain that effects on limb development are due to disruption of the specific Hox proteins that are being targeted.
We will revise our manuscript to clarify the specificity of the dominant-negative strategy used.
(2) A test of their central hypothesis regarding the necessity and sufficiency of the Hox genes under investigation would be to co-transfect the neck with full-length Hoxa6/a7 AND the dnHoxA4/a5. If their hypothesis is correct, then the dn constructs should block the limb-inducing ability of Hoxa6/a7 overexpression (again, validation of specificity of the DN constructs is important here).
This is an excellent idea and we will implement the experiment in our revision.
(3) The paper could be strengthened by providing some additional data, which should already exist in their RNA-Seq dataset, such as supplementary material that shows the actual gene expression data that are represented in the Venn diagram, heatmap, and GO analysis in Figure 3.
We will incorporate this suggestion and include additional data from our RNA-seq analysis.
(4) The results of these experiments in chick embryos are rather unexpected based on previous knockout experiments in mice, and this needs to be discussed.
In our revision, we will appropriately expand the discussion on the discrepancies observed between knockout mouse models and our chick embryo experiments.
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